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a radio Hall of Famer inducted in 2022 how you doing Chris Russo Mad Dog Russo
how you guys doing great to be with you both of you Jonathan how you doing okay pal I'm doing good you know I'm I'm
looking forward to talking some bucks football with you after talking a little bit on the golf course with you we want to hear your takes and you know let's
just go right at it what do you think Baker Mayfield leading the way how how are we gon to do with bake listen I
think you have a very good chance to be in a postseason again that division isn't a very good division Carolina we
know spotty won one game last year Derek car we don't love Atlanta will be better
you know with cousins there and you know Atlanta will be a much better team um so
I I don't worry about the quarterback issue with penck there at all so the Falcons I think would be your biggest competitor but I don't think Tampa is
close to winning the NFC I think the lions are better I think San Francisco
obviously is better Dallas is probably better the Eagles you know probably a
lot better but I think the uh bucks are a playoff team um I don't know if they
are a deep running playoff team where you're going to see them you know win a couple postseason games uh but uh in
that division where they go nine and eight last year I would think it be a little better division this year you
figur Carolina be a little improved Atlanta much improved Saints the Saints you know nine and eight might have to
win 10 games uh but I you know very competitive team Mayfield's a good
competitive player not great but he's a you know he he gets the most out of his
ability had a big year last year they won a playoff game they gave Detroit a good run in that second round in the up
in Detroit and I think the Bucks would be a factor I just don't think they're they're not a Super Bowl team make a
long story short Chris you say they're not a deep playoff run team so curious
what what are they missing in your eyes from putting when you think about Deep Run
playoff teams the first thing you gotta have is you gotta have a big time quarterback Mahomes is a big time quarterback Josh Allen's a big time
quarterback Rogers was a big- time quarterback I know I know that you know py really isn't but the system there is
tremendous with all the famers all over the place Stafford's a big quarterback you know gof is becoming a big
quarterback you know e Herz played in the Super Bowl I you know the quarterback you know it you Mayfield is
not a top 10 quarterback in the league and you know to win big in postseason
play without a top 10 quarterback that's hard to to do because the rest of the
team has to be tremendous and the Bucks are pretty good they got good receivers
um you know he's done a good job he's done a good job as the head coach they lose their offensive coordinator but
he's done a good job as a head coach they always be competitive defensively but they are not a great team the Bucks
are fortunate they're in that division which also doesn't have a great quarterback which is a big factor but
you know when you think about the QBs in football you probably put them right about 12
hard to win a Super Bowl with the 12 best quarterback in football I mean you can't put him ahead of Rogers if he's
healthy or momes or Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen or Stafford or you know you
can't put him head of Herz I don't love Prescott but you probably can't put him ahead of him either G's been to a Super
Bowl and been to an NFC Championship game he's not as good as him he's probably not as good as Jordan love so
when you get right down to it you know he's not as good as Herbert so you're talking about the 12th best player at
the position and that's the game's most important position so then you got to overcome that and that's and you got to
be great you know the Bucks did overcome it with Brad Johnson that one year but they had a great defense this team it
doesn't have that kind of defense that that team CHR you mentioned Brock pury he plays for Shanahan in that Shanahan
McVey system that West Coast system you know we had now the Buccaneers offensive coordinator Liam Cohen has coached with
Shanahan coached with uh McVey so with pie Baker's gonna be playing that same
uh quarterback friendly offense and Baker obviously last year 4,000 44 yards
28 touchdowns 10 interceptions that's with the first time offensive coordinator and Dave Canalis you don't think he could have success like pretty
with with how loaded that roster is Tampa because the ners have a Hall of Fame running back Tampa does not Niners
have a Hall of Fame tight end the Tampa does not and the Niners have auk and
Samuel now listen if Bucks have good receivers those are Big Time Players plus they got on Hall of Fame left
tackle in Trent Williams so they got four or five Hall of Famers along that offensive side of the ball uh which is a
big factor plus when you talk about Mayfield he gets six games against three
lousy teams Carolina stinks uh the saints are okay but and Atlanta last
year stunk so those statistics to me are a little overrated and I don't want to knock Mayfield because he did a hell of
a job last year they play he played well in Detroit uh you know they beat the Eagles handily and he play he had a big
part in that game so I I I don't want to sit there and knock him but you know Shanahan is a BigTime offensive coach
the Bucks don't have a coach as good as Shanahan is I mean Shanahan think about it I mean he should have won he should
have won he should have won he should have won two Super Bowls I mean he should have won you know if um Richard
Sherman doesn't fall down on Third and 15 and garap is an overthrow Emanuel Sanders they win the first one and
this's pass one if they complete a third and five at the end of regulation the game is over they would so they almost
beat Mahomes twice which is something that you got to keep that and they have and P's a pretty decent play he's not
great but P's pretty good so I don't think the Bucks are already from an
offensive component standpoint now I love Evans is gowin healthy what's the story about his health he's he's healthy
100% Health good receiver good receiver who's the Bucks tight end Kate Aon Kate
Aon it's not George k no he's not not George KD but they got Jaylen McMillan as
well other question too though you mentioned Shanahan and you kind of prove
the point that JC was kind of trying to insinuate there which is Baker did a lot of things last year and the offense did
a lot of things last year with their hand side behind their back with Dave Canalis they had the worst ranking rushing attack they only averaged 20 and
a half points per game and a lot of stuff that's come out since the departure of Dave Canales you can kind
of read between the lines of stuff that Li con has said which is like the offense didn't have any control at the
line of scrimage apparently they couldn't check out of a bad Run play they couldn't check out of a second and 19 Run play when you're down 13 points
because Dave Canalis called it and that was it and so you know Baker was able to overcome a lot of that stuff and I think
that they've upgraded by going in the Liam Cohen uh Direction but Mike Evans is a Hall of Famer uh if you if you
watch Tristan W is a Hall of Famer Tristan wor is a Hall of Famer he's a left tackle Hall of Famer now after being a right tackle Hall of Famer he
switches over and top three top two if not the best left tackle in football in some people's lives the wor compon
football the NFC South is the worst division in football is correct you're right that was their record last year
the whole division or the BS record yeah Bucks record so they played in the worst
division in the NFC in football and they won nine games W with a really bad firsttime play caller that's the point
me come on now I mean you can't blame another a play caller I mean they they were nine and eight they were nine and eight with a team that won one game
Atlanta fired their head coach and the Saints aren't that good they won nine games they only scored three field
goals against that Carolina Panthers team is what I'm saying the final game of the season that that was a lot of the
offensive coordinators I don't want to say all and they won the game the bus won game ugly but they won nine games so
where are the Bucks going to improve to put them in the San Francisco level in
the NFC to get the 134 wins where are they going to get where they how they
just fortify the offensive line with the center first pick Grant Barton you put most athletic first of all most athletic
offensive tackle graded ever in NFL history at the draft who is their quarter Jay who is their quarterback the
quarterback was out of the league two years ago he was out of the league but okay so you said you mentioned are we
are we now putting Baker Mayfield in a top five top six class he's the 12th to
15th round quarterback in the NFL no better he's not better than cousins he's not better than cousins but if you go
back if you go back Chris to when he was with the Browns and he had a consistent Run game which he has not had since that year where he
was he was one play away from beating Mom why did the Browns get rid of him
because get rid of him because why did the Browns get rid of him I thought that was a mistake in my opinion madg Mad Dog
for me I think the biggest test and the biggest what would you say Resume Builder for Baker Mayfield this year
will be playing at Kansas City against Patrick Mahomes on what is that Monday Night Football week n Monday Night
Football yep I think that's going to be the ultimate test for Baker to show you know his doubters what what he's really
about if they can win that football game against Pat Mahomes in Kansas City a crazy atmosphere I think I think we
could be talked a little different about Baker Mayfield no I'm not how many playoff games in his career is Baker
Mayfield won he's won two he won he beat the Steelers and P how many how many how
many playoff wins does Kurt Cousins have oh he's only got one he's he's one and three but I'm not comparing him to KK
cousins okay comparing him to Brock p and the San Francisco for IR got to a Super Bowl last year yeah that's though
that's a bit you are putting a guy who's nine and eight you guys gotta take it easy comp seven million teams but you're
comparing to Brock Cur who's got an entire system though you're comparing him to an entire syst nonsense with this
you guys you said it you're a great quarter if you're a great quarterback you play in any system
okay so Chris what do you want to see from Baker this year for you to see him in a different light now obviously I
think they'll improve the Run game to an NFC Championship game okay okay he was
withc championship game we'll write that one down we'll write that one NFC title game let let me see him do that in a big
spot NFC title game Chris before they played pretty competitively in Kansas
City lost he beat rsbg in his last ever game Who stunk was terrible maybe it
wasn't his last every game I don't no I think it was his last playoff game though it was his last playoff last playoff and Roth Roth rothberger threw
five interceptions in that game if I'm not mistaken five interceptions but you guys got to calm down on bacon Mayfield
you think bacon Mayfield's is good they won nine games in the worst division in
football after he just replaced Tom Brady which is just a crazy thing to do
and with the worst running game in the NFL and again with a offensive coordinator who literally was call let's
all let's all let's all lower our blood pressure a little bit and let's let's just calm down a little bit and I'm just ask Mad Dog real quick Mike Evans
obviously 10 time or 10 seasons in a row with a thousand receiving yards where do
you rank Mike Evans against the rest of these wide receivers in the league I hadn't thought about that he is
a Hall of Famer I love Evans I mean he's not as good as Tariq he's not as good as Tyreek
Hill um because of his speed he I I'd
have to think about I'm not thinking about all the wide receivers in football who are my possib who are my
possibilities right now I mean you got C ju I haven't I have or the ninth I'm
not ranking wide receivers right now let's see Hills better
um Chase is better Jefferson is better that's
three uh I'm not counting Kelsey's not Devonte Adams is better is four
numbers would say St lamb is probably better five um and I and I'm a big Evans fan
I'd say he's somewhere in that six or seven range that's respectable that's a respectable take I like that that's fair
I I don't know where else I I mean you know is I'm not sure where else I can put him I mean he's he he's he's better
than rece Seattle receivers um you know Arizona doesn't have the great receivers San Francisco's
got a lot of good receivers but Evans is better Atlanta know Carolina know Saints
know Bears you know he's better than Keenan Allen he's not better than
Jefferson um we we agree with that he's you know he's Aman St Brown he's probably better than bigger stronger I
put him somewhere in that six oh he's not better than Anton he's not better than the uh Eagle receiver either a AJ
Brown AJ Brown not better than him so he's somewhere around six or seven how's that is that fair I like it no I like it
I think that's a air Fair take um Chris I wanted to ask you about Todd BS he's going into his third season as the head
coach of the Buccaneers first year he had Tom Brady under the helm they went I believe eight eight and nine or eight
and eight made the playoffs um now we had Baker nine and eight they made the playoffs going in his third season
what's your confidence level with BS as the head coach how much longer do you think he'll be a head coach he mentioned last year in a press conference he
doesn't know he the end could be near for him coaching he wants to watch his son play football and whatnot what do you what are you your thoughts on bows I
think bones is you know did a decent job last year do I think he's a great coach no do I think he's a top 10 coach in the
league no that's another thing that hurts the Bucks go look at all the good teams their combination of coach and
quarterback are very high they usually at least have one you know Reed and
momes is a perfect example shananne pie perfect example usually pretty hot you
know mcder and Josh Allen pretty good and I don't know if I put BS and
Mayfield in the top 10 which makes it trick he's a defensive oriented coach he's terrible with clock management
we've seen that over and over again he had one winning year with the Jets and they got buried in Buffalo the last game
of the year with Fitzpatrick did not make the playoffs but I think last year he did a pretty good job I mean you know
the team hung in there they won a division they won a playoff game they were very competitive in Detroit which you'd like to see against a good team
you know 30 was it they lost by eight points they could have won so from that standpoint that's a very positive season
I don't know about his family situation watching his kid play football I'm not sure how that plays into it I think
probably he saved his job last year by making a postseason um and I think he probably
will be there for a little while and I think he's a pretty decent coach I don't think he's a great coach I think he's decent and I so go ahead do you agree
with me that the NFL right now obviously is trending towards these offensive Minds being the head coaches so you
don't lose your offensive coordinator or do you still believe in defensive guys that manage the games and and whatnot
owners hire offensive coaches because you can't win without the good quarterback so Minnesota hired okono
from Shan from uh Stafford's crew so they goes to Minnesota and to work with
cousins most of these team now there's been a little recent trend for the defense this last couple years Seattle
draft you know with the defensive coach Atlanta uh so it's been a little bit more of a defensive oriented thing but
there was a period there where teams and obviously in Houston the defensive coach
did a good job with the offense and they get to a second round but most of the teams the owners they like to get a good
offensive coordinator offensive guy there from a good staff because you have to have that guy developed with the QB
that's very very important so you need a good system with a good coach from a
good offensive program to work with with a in sometimes a Young quarterback or a
good quarterback that's why that guy from Houston's going to get a job one day that offensive
coordinator he's a that guy's a good coach a very good coach mention he's a
perfect example you mentioned der and Josh Allen mcder is also a former defensive coordinator so that seems to
be the exception to that rule but listen I think it goes either way that is what
if you look at it in the last six seven the last six seven years I'm trying to think who hired well the Rams hired an
offensive coach San Francisco hired an offensive coach Minnesota hired an
offensive coach Miami Miami hired an offensive coach Cincinnati hired an
offensive coach Arizona did hire a offensive coach in Kingsbury so you've
had some McCarthy is an offensive coach um you know to a certain degree haror is
now it goes both ways because as you said you know look at Seattle Houston
you know defensive oriented coach Seattle b in a defensive guy Dan Campbell's not really an offensive coach
so it goes back and forth but I know there was a thing the last
couple it froze
again he's going to hop off and he's going to hop back in
again is he on vacation no no he's
not or four more I think he's goingon to be the greatest of all time if not already he is a and to beat him whether
NFC AFC is going to be very very difficult to do you mentioned you mentioned earlier and I agree with you
by the way I think the offensive coach is usually the way to go just because you can keep the continuity with your quarter back you can keep your offense
together guys aren if somebody comes and plucks your defensive coordinator oh well it's a scoring league as long as
you continue to score you can kind of make things work on the back end for the defense and and you know buy some time at least um but earlier you mentioned
that the Bucks aren't a good team or they're not a great team and I know we've talked about Baker we had a little argument there but um other than the
quarterback position what do you think they're missing in terms of their wide receivers Corners is there a position of
need or a group that you look at they pretty weak right here again July 9th um
you know we're talking six months ago I I'd have to be a little more on top of that once the season starts I can't
break down the Tampa Bay Buccaneer interior linebacker play on July 9th I I
I can't give you that one right now uh you know once the season starts I'll get a little more involved in it but you
know they got others I got too many other sports going on right now and the baseball and the tennis and this that I
I can't break down tamper offense I I just don't think that the combination of
BS and Mayfield it's a bad Division I don't think that is a Super Bowl
combination it's a playoff combination partly because of the division I just don't know if they can win those three
two three games they have to win to put them in Super Bowl conversation if you
think of the NFL teams right now Kansas City's a great team San Francisco's a
great team you know Buffalo was six and six had a great finish they're a very good team jets are going to be a good
team this year if the quarterback stays healthy um you know Houston is going to be a good team this year they got stra
they had a great year last year the Ravens brought in obviously the running back they're going to be a good football
team Dallas now I'm not a Prescott fan but they have talent won the division
last year the Eagles are going to be much better uh they fix the defense a uh
Barkley will help them that's a good football team there's about you know there's there's about eight nine teams
that are you know I Green Bay is going to be a good team had a good finish to the year won a playoff game love looks
to be pretty good and they're young there's about eight or nine teams that
are better than Detroit is an excellent playoff team there's about eight to 10 teams that are better than Tampa that's
the S is to it and don't think I don't know how they're I don't know how they're going to get to that next level
I mean if you just look at the NFC where where would we put Tampa right now if you look at the whole division they're not better
than Dallas I don't think they're better than I take Philly's roster I don't know if they they're not better than Detroit
they're not better than San Francisco I don't even know if they're better than the Rams uh you know and how many teams are
they better than in the NFC they're somewhere in the middle of the pack they're somewhere in that middle where
you know they're in that Atlanta they're in that they're in that middle Zone
and I I don't know how they break into the top end of the conference it's going to be very very difficult for them to do
that now they should get into the playoffs because they can compensate on a very poor division that will help them
you know Detroit's got to deal with Green Bay San Francisco's got a deal with the Rams plus they're playing these big schedules Giants I mean uh Dallas
and Philly in the same division I I I don't know where the Bucks line up and then if you look at
the AFC Kansas City's good Houston's good Baltimore is good that whole
division is tremendous Cincinnati's good Pittsburgh is going to be better Cleveland's a decent team Buffalo is
good there's a lot of good teams in the AFC so if you look at it from that perspective where do the Bucks stack up
they stack up as a sort of a Midland NFL team right now now they could prove me wrong you guys want to raise Mayfield to
a certain level you coordinator we shall see but right now as the season begins
most of your predictions in magazines the experts ESPN are going to have the
Bucks around nine and eight that's what they're goingon to have they had us pick yeah I mean I think Vegas Vegas has them
at eight and a half uh over a perfect example that is where their number is
gonna be eight and a half and and that's a fair number and I would go over I
would go over because you know they got some experience I the division is easier
I'd go over but it's not a luck it's not a luck it's up for them to prove you wrong so
ultimately yeah that's fine Chris they had they had some big holes last year on the interior offensive line which they
address with their first round pick Grant Barton out of Duke um also they had Edge rusher like needs so they got
Chris broswell on the second round Alabama I'm just wondering did you how what's your reaction to this draft class
with Barton brazwell tyi Smith and N Corner you're ask you gotta get an
expert on the I don't know I have no idea couldn't pick the Duke Lyman out of a
out of a lineup um you know the Alabama players defensively usually good but I can't I am not ready to to break down
the Tampa Buccaneer draft I can't do it um I can I can break down the quarterbacks who I can break down the U
the bear quarterback I can I can do that for you um but to break down an
offensive lineman at a Duke and how he might solve the left tackle issue that I
can't do I I don't think anybody can I mean seems like it's a decent draft I'd have to talk to the Todd McShay or the
of the world to figure that out but again I'm not in football mode right now
where I'm thinking about the Bucks draft from April once the season starts and we
get to se that's fair some of us some of us are giraff nuts some of us aren't but Chris I just I'll ask you a question
Jason light GM of the Buccaneers right how do you feel how do you feel about light compared to the rest of the league
are are you confident he's a he's a great uh great GM or or what are your feelings about
Jason you know do I think that Jason lights a great again you'd have to ask I
I haven't ranked the GMS in football I mean I think Lynch is an excellent GM out there in San Francisco this the
Baltimore staff has been has done a tremendous job excellent GM there um you
know going back to the a new some days um you know I think Shane's got a chance
to be a decent dm with the Giants um you know Joe dougl I mean the GM jobs
are tricky because if you screw up the quarterback it's a major problem I would
give Joe Douglas a very good grade with the Jets look what he's done with his drafting Garrett Wilson amongst others
uh you know mo Gardner the defensive back but he screwed up the quarterback and Zack Wilson so how do I grade him he
he killed his team he didn't get a backup last year for Rogers and they got and they got molded with it you know uh
Shane made the trade to get the you know to get water and he retires after one year you know even Lynch drafted um you
know Lance turned out to be a disaster and moved up in a draft to get him for Quan out loud um the bear look at
Carolina made the move to get Bryce young turns out that Houston made the decision better to get strout so it it
it again you got to get the quarterback now your guy's done a good job of
filling in the quarterback slot because he's gotten a competent player at the position and you know sort of buy some
time and maybe get that big player down the road but there's a reason why the quarterbacks make 5060 million a year
there's a reason why people the reason why teams tank to get khed Williams and
why they you know move up in a draft to get every quarterback that they possibly can get without the quarterback the
borderline Hall of Fame quarterback it is very very difficult to win just look
at your Super Bowls in the last 60 years name me a team that won without a Hall
of Fame quarterback Bart Star Hall of Fame quarterback won twice Brad showw Hall of Fame quarterback won four times
Montana one of the all-timers four times Brady you know better than anybody seven
times I mean it's it's very very Rogers One Mahomes is won three without the
great I mean there's some exceptions Trent dord 1 Brad Johnson 1 there are
exceptions stay a Hall of Fame quarterback they won a Jim plunet wasn't great they won a couple so there are
exceptions but if you are going to win and win championships you you really
need a Hall of Fame player at that position it's as simple as that Chris
well we'll end it on this note so we we started the show with Baker Mayfield talk we'll end with Baker Mayfield talk
what is it about Baker Mayfield that makes you feel like he can't be that guy where is his downfall what what's the
issue with Baker well I mean I don't think he's just not that he's he okay I mean I I don't know if it's anything
specific uh you know he's he's he's a decent quarterback but you know I mean
you know a great quarterback when you see them okay I know Mahomes is a great quarterback I know Josh Allen is a
played great against Great quarterback two games against Kansas City he's played in the postseason tremendous
games Rogers was a great quarterback Stafford he's a hell of a quarterback you know a great quarterback when you
see them do I think I'm seeing a great quarterback in in Mayfield no I do not
did you think Stafford was a great quarterback but when he was traded to the liines uh I wasn't sure uh you know
a lot of people thought they was because of his great arm strength but he's proved to be a great quarterback his performance last year in Detroit was
superb in the game they lost he won a Super Bowl Stafford's a great quarterback he's got a great arm he's
tough as Nails he is a and remember who's his coach McVey McVey is a great
coach I'm I'm sorry I said Stafford I meant golf Stafford traded the yeah I meant golf I meant
golf did you think golf was was speci oh you meant gol yeah yeah no I nobody did mcve did mcve and I don't think G's
great I think he's good I'm not say that I'm not ready to say he's great yet has
he has the he has two great running backs and a great play action offensive play caller I mean he gets away he is
and then he has great wide receivers I I you know so so in other words then performance last year against those
teams we don't give goth the credit for him I give him credit I give him credit he also had some really bad moment too
but he played great he didn't play good he played great in the NFC championship
game he played good he played great no yeah so final final prediction Tampe
Buccaneers season you think n and eight n and eight maybe maybe 10 and seven
maybe 10 and seven yeah they the playoffs win the division
I'd have to look at Atlanta a little more carefully and I gota look at the schedules I know Tampa's got who they
playing the AFC West yeah they're yes they are West all
right in Iraq Kansas City who's their other Road game in that division um I believe let's see that's
not a hard division I mean they got a break there that's not a hard division you know the Chargers are in a I want to
say Char the have qub back you know Denver's got
some issues at quarterback not a great they got the right division so they play the Chargers Denver Raiders they six
into the division those are winnable games that's nine who else do they play Let's Take a Look let's see if let me
take a look at their schedule they play the Giants they play the Lions they play the I want to say they play the Packers
again um not positive but NFC what division do they
have in the NFC they play the Giants and the Lions off the top of my head so that mean and they play they play the giant
yeah they play the NFC East yeah so they have Washington Dallas Philly and the
Giants not impossible they have the AFC West and they have the games of course
against U their division who are their two other games they play the Ravens at
home which is tricky and they got the 49ers and they play the 49 at
home so their tough games they have Baltimore at home San Francisco at home
at Kansas City are they at Dallas yes they are in Dallas yeah and
they play the Eagles they got five really hard games they got that that's a they they
got Dallas and Baltimore in Kansas City the Eagles and San
Francisco that's they got five really hard games that going into the season you'd figure I know some of them are at
home and it's hot weather uh that's not a great home field advantage though um I don't know you
want to say 10 wins is that fair yeah that's I I like I like
10 um well I mean I I mean I guess they could win 10 games so you know what to make a long story short I go over eight
and a half not under all right well Chris thank you for joining us you can find Chris Mad Dog
Russo on Mad Dog Sports Radio on serus XM First Take on ESPN you can find us on
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Spotify everywhere basically and you can find the YouTube show on loose cannons Chris thanks so much for coming on and
sharing your takes uh definitely an interesting conversation I love the energy it was a lot of fun good job guys
you did it tell give you credit you know that Tampa team I'm sorry I didn't help you with the draft but you know that Tampa team well you should have open up
with Washington at home you got a good chance to be one and0 look at it that way Jaden Daniel's at home I think I
think that's easy I'll take it all day yes sir thanks Chris you got it guys appreciate it gock
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